A Cry For Justice

Awakening the Evangelical Church to Domestic Violence and Abuse in its Midst

Billy Graham, John MacArthur, R.C. Sproul are some of the “Untouchables” in the visible church

 

Billy Graham

R C Sproul with John MacArthur

One reason why the visible church is such an abuser-friendly environment is that the visible church has many people in it who are not born again. People who have not been saved. People who do not know Jesus.

Some of those people who are not born again think they are Christians and are doing their best to live like Christians without having the Spirit. They are not intentionally harming others, but because they do not have the Spirit they are easily misled by false teachers and are gullible to false doctrine.

Some of those people who are not born again KNOW they are not Christians but they portray themselves as Christians in order spread false doctrines and maraud on the genuine believers.

The false form of salvation is epidemic.

I thought I was saved for years & was not.
God made me know something was off.
I was humbled in awe when He revealed it to me.
God is exposing cheap grace & pagan ways.
(—said by an anonymous follower of A Cry For Justice)

 Now let’s discuss the “untouchables”  in the church

Jeff Crippen wrote the following in 2012:

The Untouchables Among Evangelicals 

Many years ago I remember teaching an adult Sunday school class. I read an article from a leading evangelical para-church organization which melded Christianity and Judaism, leaving the reader with the impression that one was as true as the other. A fellow who was visiting our class that day raised his hand and was obviously quite agitated. He said that he knew for a fact that this organization was a sound, Christian ministry that had done much good, and that it was absolutely terrible that I was criticizing it. He ended his critique with these words – “The next thing you will be criticizing Billy Graham.

My answer to him was – well, I won’t be talking about Billy Graham this morning, but there certainly are some very questionable methods that he has used over the years, and I would not be the only one who has pointed these things out (see Dr. Martyn Lloyd-Jones’ biography for example).

I have no doubt that as we name the names of well-known pastors and teachers who are teaching that abuse is not a biblical ground for divorce, we are going to be roundly criticized for being critical. But believe it or not, I do not enjoy doing this kind of thing. I have respected John MacArthur and R.C. Sproul over the years and in many ways I still do. But I cannot condone the fact that they are all teaching as God’s Word a terrible notion – that God does not permit divorce for abuse. That a man can beat his wife to a pulp, totally smash the vows he took as the terms of his marriage covenant, and yet the covenant remains binding upon her. …(read the full post here)
[bold emphasis added by Barb]

Jeff published that post on 5 March 2012 when the ACFJ blog was only two months old. Oddly enough, my first post at ACFJ also came out the same day as The Untouchables Among Evangelicals. We were not very good at scheduling posts back then! 

For nearly six years, Jeff and I co-led this blog. Jeff resigned from this blog on 25 Sept 2017. He is still a full time pastor.

I want to update you on the “Untouchables” that Jeff Crippen mentioned.

R.C. Sproul

R.C. Sproul died not long after Jeff had resigned from this blog, and Jeff contacted me suggesting that ACFJ publish the private letter Sproul had sent to him some years previously. So I published it under our joint by-line, even though Jeff was no longer co-leading the blog with me. You can read that post here: R.C. Sproul Changed His View on Abuse as Grounds for Divorce – but to our knowledge he never publicly announced that change

John MacArthur

I am certain that since writing his “Untouchables” post in 2012, Jeff Crippen’s respect for MacArthur has greatly diminished, and he may perhaps have zero respect for him now.

It is public knowledge that only recently the Masters University Seminary has been put on probation by the accrediting authority. The secular authority which accredits universities has suspended Masters University Seminary for several reasons, one of which is a pervasive culture of bullying and another of which is lack of financial probity. The Wartburg Watch is one of the blogs covering that story. Please do your own research on it; I don’t have time to give links.

John MacArthur has also slandered everyone in the church who is working for justice for the victims of abuse.  See Rebecca Davis’s post Social justice is not the gospel: a response to John MacArthur

And someone has created this brilliant spoof of John MacArthur being like Hitler.

 

And now for Billy Graham
– the big evangelist who many people don’t want to think could have been a false teacher

I recently posted at the ACFJ facebook page (link) about Billy Graham. I shared a video clip of Billy Graham being interviewed by Robert Schuller where they are discussing salvation. And I wrote on facebook:

Billy Graham gave a false gospel. He said, “They may not even know the name of Jesus but…they are saved and they’re going to be with us in heaven.”

I have transcribed the following from the 1997 video where Billy Graham is being interviewed by Robert Schuller on “Hour of Power”.

Billy Graham:

…whether they come from the Muslim world or the Buddhist world or the Christian world or the non-believing world they are members of the body of Christ because they’ve been called by God. They may not even know the name of Jesus, but they know in their heart that they need something that they don’t have, and they turn to the only light that they have and I think that they are saved and that they’re going to be with us in heaven.

Robert Schuller:

This is fantastic! I’m so thrilled to hear you say that – there’s a wideness in God’s mercy.

Pastor Sam Powell commented at the facebook post about what Billy Graham said in that video clip. Here is what Sam said:

It’s the gospel that is at stake. If Rev. Graham’s statement is correct, then salvation is a reward for sincerity, or good intentions. If that is the case, then no one is saved, for the justice of God requires perfection and is never fooled by “good intentions”.

Many of you on this site have been abused by church leaders who refused to discipline your abusers because they “repented” and had “really good intentions”. Was that just?

Is not God always just? Does God allow wickedness to go unpunished? How much wickedness is OK and how much is too much?

Instead of relying on our sentimentality, we hear God’s word. The soul that sins shall die.

The only hope of salvation is that God provided the perfect sacrifice, without blemish and without spot. Our sins were laid on him, and his righteousness was given freely to our account, as if we never had any sin – if only we accept it with a believing heart.

This is the only truth that sets us free. Otherwise we are held in bondage by those who promise us better ways, easier ways, just drop a few coins in and walk down the aisle one more time…

How many times is enough? Does God really save those with good intentions? I would say yes – but then who has those? 100 percent of the time, from birth until death, without once every failing and thinking evil in his heart…Anyone qualify? I guess you need to try again, and again, and again…

Billy Graham’s way leads only to bondage and death.

Come to Christ and live!

And, yes, this was the same gospel proclaimed and believed by the saints of the Old Testament. They didn’t have the details, but they had the promise of God – that the seed of the woman would crush the head of the serpent. They had the sacrifices and the promise that God himself would provide a lamb.

And Proverbs 8 is a glimpse of the Trinity that would be more fully revealed in the new. I’m preaching on that tomorrow, if you would like to catch it.

Barb, sorry for hijacking your post. I so want everyone to be free of the false gospel of death that has held us in bondage for far too long, Either Jesus paid it all, or he did not. If he did, then Rev. Graham was wrong in what he said to Schuller.

BTW, Robert Schuller was a rank heretic. How’s that for stirring the pot?

Note well: Even John MacArthur stated that Billy Graham’s gospel was fuzzy. In his sermon Deliverance: From the Temporal World to the Eternal Kingdom (Nov 5, 2000), John MacArthur said:

There is an article in a journal that comments and reviews [Billy Graham’s] autobiography “Just As I Am”.  And I think it’s worth giving you some insight into that, because I think it points out the breadth of this problem. The editor of the journal says:

“While Graham has become the very symbol of gentle, compassionate, and loving evangelicalism, he has also become the symbol for an evangelicalism that speaks cautiously, politically, and non-theologically.  He was never able to escape the fuzzy a-theological pragmatism of modern evangelicalism.  It is Billy Graham, more than any other figure in this century, who helped to create, by his overwhelming persona, the present evangelical crisis, which threatens to destroy the very institutions and causes in which Graham invested his life and energy for over 55 years.”

That is a sad statement, but it is an appropriate one in view of the facts. 

Now, here’s something to think about:

Evil people might pose as Christian evangelists and be very convincing. But many of the people they ‘lead to the Lord’ may not be truly born again because the ‘gospel’ these people have preached gives people the idea that they can be saved just by saying the sinners prayer. Or it might give people the idea they can be saved just by having good intentions and trying their best to please God. Or it might give people the idea that they can be saved by participating in the motions of the “prescribed  sacraments” such as baptism, confirmation, confessing their sins to the priest, going to church services regularly, doing penance, etc.

All those ‘gospels’ are not the true gospel. They fall short. They are sub-biblical. They do a great deal of harm because people can think they are saved when they are not saved.

Why would evil people pose as Christian evangelists? They might do it because they want the visible church to be largely populated by people who think they’re following Jesus but they’re not actually born again.

The more unregenerate people there are in the visible church, the more likely it will be an abuser-friendly environment.

When there are more weeds than wheat in the field, the wheat cannot thrive. The weeds dominate the wheat and the wheat struggles to get the sunshine and moisture which it needs to grow. And in the church, weeds can even be parasitical on the wheat… 

The false form of salvation is epidemic.

I thought I was saved for years & was not.
God made me know something was off.
I was humbled in awe when He revealed it to me.
God is exposing cheap grace & pagan ways.
(—said by an anonymous follower of A Cry For Justice)

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Further reading 

Billy Graham

Every Appearance of Evil, and the Billy Graham Rule – Ps Sam Powell

R. C. Sproul 

R.C. Sproul Changed His View on Abuse as Grounds for Divorce – but to our knowledge he never publicly announced that change – Ps Jeff Crippen and Barbara Roberts

R.C. Sproul on Biblical Grounds for Divorce – Another Aaaaargh! – Ps Jeff Crippen

John MacArthur

John MacArthur’s Instruction to Abuse Victims – Aaaaargh!!!  – Ps Jeff Crippen

More on Abuse from John MacArthur – Double Aaaargh!  Ps Jeff Crippen

Focus on the Family & John MacArthur spout “God hates divorce.” And do they accept correction? – Barbara Roberts

Does John MacArthur Teach that Suffering Abuse is Meritorious Before God? – Ps Jeff Crippen

Do you see me? — a survivor “Jane Doe” recounts how she was abominably treated by Masters College and Grace Community Church leaders when she reported that she had been raped. (those institutions are part of John MacArthur’s empire)

Do you hear me?  another “Jane Doe” who has suffered at the hands of the leadership at The Master’s University, Seminary and Grace Community Church.

23 Comments

  1. The John MacArthur – Hitler spoof is missing from the blog post, just FYI.

    Good post.

    Rebecca Davis *www.heresthejoy.com *

    • For some reason the John MacArthur – Hitler spoof didn’t show up in the email notification of this post, but it does show up at the blog.

      • Now Free (formerly struggling to be free)

        When I stood up to my pastor and questioned him and his wife “ what is your stance if I’m being abused….physically sexually mentally do you still say I must stay in and work at it because there is hope!”
        They just looked so blank to each other and could not answer. Totally stumped.

        Any wonder my family struggled at first when these so called learned Christian men have not a clue either.
        Any wonder abuse abounds in the church when leaders cannot seemto marry up scriptures and the character of God and get it right in their heads. They know deep down abuse is totally wrong and sinful. What stops them getting by this big divorce question when it’s abuse that’s at the heart and wreck of a marriage?

        In my view it’s pride, denial and downright stubbornness that they could have just been wrong for years blocks further enlightenment.
        At the heart of it pride is their downfall while many continue to be battered and killed – utterly disgusting to God and His true people.
        True men of God stand up and be counted and make a stand for truth and own up your past failures. Be a true man let alone a true Christian!! Ashamed of you and disgusted.

      • Helovesme

        Now Free ( Formerly Struggling To Be Free)

        Thank you for that.

  2. Krikit

    “The more unregenerate people there are in the visible church, the more likely it will be an abuser-friendly environment.”

    The more unregenerate people there are in the visible church, the more satan’s earthly goal is accomplished: that of having a Lightless, Saltless visible church; one where millions die in darkness.

  3. L

    Concerning Billy Graham’s remarks about people in heaven not knowing the name Jesus… I agree with him as far as that one sentence goes. I would have to see the whole statement in context though to be sure I agree.

    Who could truly love a God who, at the judgement, would say to a person, “You never heard the name Jesus because no one ever preached the gospel to you, or you didn’t have the ability to understand that He has a certain name so off to hell you go, even though you know you are a sinner, can’t ever be good enough to earn salvation, were visited by my Son in a dream or some other way, and chose to follow this un- named God. But, you didn’t follow the exact steps of knowing that this savior that you love with all your heart was named Jesus and you didn’t say the exact salvation prayer. Sorry, your doomed to burn for all of eternity. Off you go.” No! you could fear a God like that, you could maybe have a certain amount of respect for His power and position, but true, complete trusting love for Him? No Way! And if you don’t truly love Him and trust Him with your whole heart are YOU really saved?

    • jonahzsong

      Because he holds fast to me in love, I will deliver him;
      I will protect him, because he knows my Name. Psalm 91:14

      G-D says, “because he knows my Name.”

      May the L-RD reveal His Truth, and His Name to His people while there is still daylight on Earth.

    • Hi L, you can watch the video of Billy Graham speaking to Robert Schuller, to see his words in context. The video is linked in the post.

  4. Helovesme

    “They are not intentionally harming others, but because they do not have the Spirit they are easily misled by false teachers and are gullible to false doctrine.”

    Is it all right to add that there are born again believers who are incredibly naive, young in age and/or young in the Lord, and due to their abusive lives—-they are still especially susceptible to being deceived? Especially open to being spiritually abused, using the Word of God to deceive and mislead.

    And yes, I am speaking of myself! Perhaps others have been in my shoes.

    I’m working very hard to undo the damage that was done to me. I take full responsibility for false doctrines, attitudes, very narrow or wide interpretations of Scripture (the list goes on) that I bought into.

    Either I didn’t know the Lord as He truly is yet, or I simply trusted these so-called mature Christians. I think it was a combination of both, depending on what was going on. But all the things I either silently or actively agreed with (or just didn’t know how to contradict)—-I still feel a sense of deep pain and anger at myself for it.

    When you have been abused, that does NOT mean you are a fool and now anyone and everyone can manipulate you. NOT TRUE.

    But in my case, abuse had weakened me terribly for sure. It thankfully opened a door for the Lord to speak to me, but even after becoming born again I was still very much a product of the abuse.

    I had not been built back up in Him, as a new creation—-I was a “babe in Christ” as the Word describes it. So this very young woman, now a “baby Christian” was very susceptible to putting any and all spiritual foods in her mouth (just like real babies do!) And I very much looked to mature, possibly older Christians to “take care” of me (as real babies do!)

    I was a pretty “hungry” new Christian as well, and I had not yet learned to “spit out” what I now call spiritual “junk food.” It may be tasty going down, but it’s not good for your soul.

    These are NOT excuses. No matter what was or wasn’t going on back then, I’m in the process of a lot of repenting.

    I remember reading that letter from Sproul. It got a lot of reaction and responses. It was a blessing for you all to share it, because it got us all thinking and talking about the seriousness of such issues. I am now learning to think like Him in my head, but to also use my voice to speak with His mind as well.

    Dang, I STILL need to get through that article about social justice! It sits on my tabs, and I WILL get through it. I am eager to read how she responds to MacArthur.

    I also recall when that video with BG was posted. Oh my goodness the variety and number of responses was overwhelming.

    Pastor Sam’s response was probably the winner, however: “It’s the gospel that is at stake. If Rev. Graham’s statement is correct, then salvation is a reward for sincerity, or good intentions.”

    In my corner of the world, I have not encountered a pastor with the sheer level of fame that these men had (and still have). But I’ve dealt with two of them that were quite influential in their own rights.

    Both of them have let me down in very serious ways. I trusted them, and later I now believe they were incredibly deceptive. I now want next to nothing to do with either of them. Ever.

    They were very convincing, had a sense of charm and ability to relate to and deal with people. And they came off as very sincere. THAT is usually the kick in the pants—-but they seemed so sincere! So real, so transparent. Loving the Lord, loving their calling (of being minsters). They come off with true humility. True love. A true heart for the Lord.

    But now I believe they were controlling, manipulative and very, very wrong in more ways that I can describe.

    As far as I know, they both preached the Gospel correctly—-in terms of how we are to be saved, and having a real relationship with the Lord. They did not preach or teach “religion” as the way to salvation. In fact, they were seemingly opposed to it.

    But bear in mind that it’s NOT just about preaching the Gospel as a way to salvation correctly. While that is 100% fundamental and in NO way should that be lowered in priority—-you have to minister to others (both men and women) with that clear, direct and Biblical message of salvation in mind.

    Anyone who truly understands the Gospel in its absolute perfect purity—–will understand that male and female believers are equal in the eyes of the Lord. One is not to be in supreme authority over the other, in or out of marriage.

    You do not abuse and then claim to be a believer, so you’re forgiven and “off the hook.”

    With that in mind, they will minister accordingly. When a man, woman or child comes to them with a narrative of abuse (ANY kind of abuse), they will not only listen—-but they will take some form of action.

    Perhaps they need to pray for wisdom first (always a good idea) but they will take it seriously.

    There was never a separate cross for the male gender, and one for the female gender. Since the latter tend to be portrayed as “especially” sinful (and they will bring up Eve to back it up), this would suggest that Jesus did not die as “thoroughly” for a woman’s sins as He did for a man’s sins.

    If that’s the case, women are truly never “born again.” And we never will be. We’re just too sinful that Jesus’s death wasn’t enough for us. No wonder we need a man to be “over us” to speak for Him—-to speak for us before Him.

    I am 100% born again in Him. I still retain my gender, but I 100% belong to Him as much as the next person claims to be. The Gospel message says that, and if you claim to preach and teach the true, pure Gospel, minister as if you really believe that.

    Many pastors DO NOT. IMO, they refuse to take off what I call their “cultural, social or environmental” glasses off. They see the world (and people) through eyes that are not fully focused on the Lord. So they refuse to get certain (and dangerous) ways of thinking out of their heads.

    One of those pastors DID supposedly take my reviler seriously. But he handled it all wrong and the trauma of it all had short and long term consequences for me. People treated me as though I had a disease; that there was something wrong with me. No doubt in my head, that my gender played a part in his decisions.

    He was such a popular man, though, and pretty influential in my life—-that it took years for me to fully realize that. And I dared not speak of it to anyone. The one time I did try, I got in trouble for putting down her “mentor” and for sounding bitter.

    I wasn’t surprised by the backlash especially to the Graham name. I read comment after comment about his love, compassion and fruit from his ministry. I’m not here to agree or disagree with what they say.

    I would just give the example of my OTHER pastor who was on a lower rung of popularity and influence than BG, but absolutely held a lot of power in my former church.

    Again, I don’t believe he preached the Gospel wrong at all, as the clip with BG showed some real problems. But with my former pastor—-that wasn’t the problem. It was how he led his personal life and led the church.

    This is painful to write.

    He was especially focused on foreign missions. One of the countries he was especially focused on is my country of origin. There is so much sickness, poverty, overall misery and worst of all—-children becoming orphans for one reason or another. So I was very drawn to this church, after being absent for a handful of years.

    He retired rather quickly in 2016. A good few months later we found out that he was a liar and a deceiver—-and a cheater (adultery).

    I think he was allowed to get away with all this for so long, because he was supposedly producing so much fruit, and doing so much “good” overseas. And in our community.

    Try to remember that people in other countries, and for believers to minister overseas—-are very dependent on others, like our church.

    In no way, shape or form—-is it Biblical to let someone commit even one act of evil for the sake of many others being helped. For so much “good” to be done for so many.

    Even if I was one of those persons being helped—my conscience would hopefully be aghast of someone getting hurt so that I could be blessed.

    It is hard to describe what he has left behind. He “spilled” a huge glass of milk and has left others to clean up his mess.

    I’m sure they are many in my former church or in other places he went to—-that forgive him personally, or still think of the best of him, or believe that he has repented.

    That’s not the case with me. He supposedly wrote a letter to the church, where it was read out loud, supposedly repenting. I don’t believe one word of it, but that it just me.

    He masterfully led a double life for so long, and got away with it for so long—-that I truly question the state of his heart now.

    I am sure that in his many years of ministry, people came to know the Lord through his preaching. Or, they were truly helped and blessed by him. In no way am I glossing any of that over.

    But again—-in the background, in the privacy of his personal life, in the darkness—he was hurting people. That man should never have been allowed to minister, until he was held accountable and faced the consequences of his deception. Regardless of how “good” he was at it, or how many people were drawn to him.

  5. jonahzsong

    L-RD Bless you and yours, Ms. Roberts. May He always keep you, and Shine upon you His ShalomPeace.

  6. Toby

    Barbara, I have been in two abusive marriages over a span of 3 decades. I had a decade-long break between them. The first one was to a hard out narcissist for over ten years, the second one was a short marriage to an insane borderline. The bait both times was that they appeared at first to be on fire Christian woman.

    With my first marriage, I was told I must stay in and endure, to let her take authority over me and God would sort her out. Eventually, after I had nothing left to give her emotionally and I had withdrawn emotionally from our family, she got into a lesbian relationship and left me.

    This is my point, both of my x wives believe they are Christian superstars. I’m am not so sure that these unsaved people are aware they are working for the enemy, they actually think they are better than the others in the church.

    I think this describes the situation pretty well:

    He presented another parable to them, saying, “The kingdom of heaven is like a mustard seed, which a man took and sowed in his field; and this is smaller than all other seeds, but when it is full grown, it is larger than the garden plants and becomes a tree, so that THE BIRDS OF THE AIR come and NEST IN ITS BRANCHES.

    Little birds are most likely demons operating through unsaved flesh.
    I’m pretty sure the people they work through to predate on God’s children are completely convinced they are awesome Christians. I don’t think they are conscious of being satan’s helpers.

    I too have had enough of the abuse Christians have to endure with the ignorant and sometimes downright satanic endorsement of church leadership now, I can no longer ignore it.

    Thank you for caring for our brothers and sisters.

    • Hi Toby — welcome to the blog 🙂 I changed your screen name to protect your identity. And I removed the link to your website for the same reason.

      You said: “I’m am not so sure that these unsaved people are aware they are working for the enemy, they actually think they are better than the others in the church.”

      With your two ex wives, and with many other unsaved people who come across as ‘on fire Christians,’ it may well be true that they just think they are better than others in the church and they are unaware that they are working for the enemy.

      But there may also be some people in the church who are very aware that they are working for the enemy.

      Bottom line: whether abusers are aware or unaware that they are working for the enemy, their behaviour is VERY injurious to those they target.

      So a victim need not spend time trying to figure out how much their abuser is aware of… the victim is better off focusing on his or her own plans to resist/escape from the abuser and working out what to do for their own wellbeing and safety in the long term.

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  7. God-fearing mom

    When I read that quote I saw it as Billy Graham speaking about people who the Holy Spirit is calling out of false religion and into the truth of the gospel who are predestined to be saved. I suppose context would reveal what he meant.

  8. Upset

    I cannot believe you are judging Billy Graham. I can no long receive your news letter. I cannot allow myself to be subject to such lies. I will however pray for all that is involved with this. NO ONE has a right to judge another. When you point a finger at someone…remember you have 3 more pointing back at yourself.

    • Hi, Upset — you said ‘NO ONE has the right to judge another.”

      If no one has the right to judge another, then Paul had no right to judge Peter when Peter was acting hypocritically (Galatians 2).
      And John had no right to judge Diotrephes (3 John 1:9-10). And Paul had no right to judge Hymenaeus and Alexander (1 Tim. 1:19-20). Nor should Paul have judged Hermogenes and Philetus (2 Tim. 1:15; 2 Tim. 2:16-17).

      And the saying, “when you point a finger at someone…remember you have 3 more pointing back at yourself,” is not in the Bible.

    • Some Anonymous Bloke

      If I may add to what Barbara wrote, you must contend with Christ’s declaration: ‘ “Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment” ’ (John 7:24, NASB). Hypocritical judgement is condemned by the Lord Jesus and his apostles, not judgement itself (see Matthew 7:1–6; Romans 2:1–3, 17–24).

      Finally, I would say that you must keep in mind that God does not show favouritism (Romans 2:11). Billy Graham is/was not above scrutiny. His teachings and practice must be examined in the light of scripture. Do take care that you do not elevate a teacher of God’s word so high that you implicitly trust everything s/he says as ‘the gospel truth’.

      • Krikit

        Completely agree with what Some Anonymouse Bloke stated.

        Being a former sexual assault target, and a former military and civilian police officer, I can say with complete confidence and accuracy that there is far more indecency and evil than the vast majority of church goers know about, want to know about, or would believe if they did know about it all.

        In general people think they know about how crazy, weird, and evil the world is. Think again.

  9. Abigail

    I wonder….this is just a made up analogy….what these super strict pastors would say to a husband who tells them his wife absolutely refuses to have sex with him. These men would have a lot of sympathy and instruct the wife that she is defrauding her husband of his marital rights. But let’s say she still refuses. Would they justify divorce???? That’s what an abusive man is like to his wife. He refuses to love and care for her.. ..a biblical RIGHT. Would they take the husband’s side and say it’s ok in this situation???

  10. Some Anonymous Bloke

    I hope that I shall not shrink back in the face of evil when I stand in its presence. When I see the cowardice, passivity and failure to act and do or speak what is right in others, I must not follow their example and allow myself to become that which I despise.

    ‘[F]or God did not give us a spirit of timidity but a spirit of power and love and self-control’ (2 Timothy 1:7, RSV).

  11. Bitter Herbs

    Barbara,

    I’ve been lurking here for a long time and have truly appreciated everything that you and everyone else here (at one time including Mr. Crippen and twbtc) do for abuse survivors. Thank you for that effort and concern.

    I wanted to make a public response to the post on Light for Dark Times, because Mr. Crippen, Rachel Miller, and twbtc have made their feelings public. This post seems the best place to do it, since it references Mr. Crippen’s own concerns about Billy Graham’s theology.

    I’m standing with you, Barbara. You have every right to say whatever you want on your own twitter feed, to whomever you want. I believe that abuse survivors have the right to all the same content anyone else can access – that’s the flip side of the right to free speech; you also have the right to hear/read what everyone else is saying. We have the same brains and discernment from God that anyone else has. Saying that we’re too “weak” or “vulnerable” is insulting and echoes the kinds of things my abusive dad would say.

    I won’t go into the whole conspiracy theory side of that post here, since you don’t seem to want that here, except to say that I disagree with them on all of that too. I’d be open to emailing you about it. I don’t go on facebook, twitter, or anything else.

    Bitter Herbs

    • Thank you Bitter Herbs.

      I will be publishing a post in response to response to what Jeff Crippen and others are saying about me. It will probably will take me a few days to get it done. I like to mull over things and sleep on them before acting.

      In the meantime, it’s okay for anyone to ask me questions.

      I appreciate you commenting on the blog rather than on the facebook page.

  12. Linn

    Barb, I agree with bitter herbs. Praying for you! May the peace of God guard your heart and mind in Christ Jesus. Linn

    • Thanks Linn
      I am still working on a post that will respond to the issues Jeff Crippen raised in his post.

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